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alex13
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:28 pm |
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GiveBlood wrote: alex13 wrote: no sound this late at night, but from the look of it, I'm gonna be bummed if I check this out tomorrow and it's not hilarious.
you are 100% correct
while it bums me out, at least I'll get to see Nader speak this Wednesday at LSU.
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mikefromarizona
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 11:29 pm |
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i am having trouble lately espousing the political process in any way.
i am NOT saying you should quit going about your daily lives and start actively smashing capitalism.
that'd be crazy.
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GiveBlood
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:01 am |
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for some reason this reminds me of a conversation in the breakroom at work the other day.
If I had just fucking ridiculous amounts of money, like billions, or maybe even just hundreds of millions, I would buy a Ferrari. Then I would jackknife it, in such a manner as to not cause any injuries, but just to cause a massive traffic jam, and piled up traffic. Somewhere like I-4, during morning rush hour.
I'd call it "performance art"
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Rasputin
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:31 am |
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alex13 wrote:
As I searched the website for some definitive sign that this is just an elaborate, non-sequitur satire, I felt as if I were crawling further and further into the twilight zone.
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greg graffins sex face
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 2:41 am |
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Danny Dickhead wrote: I think the president has a lot to do with the national zietgiest - the last eight years have felt like the dominant attitude was one of nasty dumb viciousness and deliberate brutish stupidity . . . and I do indeed blame those in power for setting the national tone. So even if Obama won't come swinging into the Oval Office in a cape and single-handedly beat back the lobbyists, I'd rather have a national attitude dominated by the idea of "Yes We Can" rather than one dominated by "You're either with us or against us."
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
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trevor.boddy
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:05 am |
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this nation is run by corporations
promises to lobbyists take priority over the promises made in debates
check out obama's voting record on the FISA acts
or joe biden's views on net neutrality
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gully
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:14 am |
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Danny Dickhead wrote: I think the president has a lot to do with the national zietgiest - the last eight years have felt like the dominant attitude was one of nasty dumb viciousness and deliberate brutish stupidity . . . and I do indeed blame those in power for setting the national tone. So even if Obama won't come swinging into the Oval Office in a cape and single-handedly beat back the lobbyists, I'd rather have a national attitude dominated by the idea of "Yes We Can" rather than one dominated by "You're either with us or against us."
I hope I never need a politician to tell me how to feel. Obama's platform was basically handed to him, "Be the opposite of everything that is the current administration." A fucking bear on a unicycle could get elected in that context.
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greg graffins sex face
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:23 am |
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gully wrote: Danny Dickhead wrote: I think the president has a lot to do with the national zietgiest - the last eight years have felt like the dominant attitude was one of nasty dumb viciousness and deliberate brutish stupidity . . . and I do indeed blame those in power for setting the national tone. So even if Obama won't come swinging into the Oval Office in a cape and single-handedly beat back the lobbyists, I'd rather have a national attitude dominated by the idea of "Yes We Can" rather than one dominated by "You're either with us or against us." I hope I never need a politician to tell me how to feel. Obama's platform was basically handed to him, "Be the opposite of everything that is the current administration." A fucking bear on a unicycle could get elected in that context.
But it's still a valid postition to be running from. Especially now that the-nearest-thing-we-could-possibly-get-to-Ann-Coulter/Satan is McBain's running mate. Had I the opportunity, would vote for a leper in a shit-lined shoe over that ignorant, book-banning, oil-drilling, environment-denying, pro-life horror-show.
I'm counting down the days until she actually says "Oooh, so Mother Nature needs a favor?! Well maybe she should have thought of that when she was besetting us with droughts and floods and poison monkeys! Nature started the fight for survival, and now she wants to quit because she's losing. Well I say, hard cheese."
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BlatantAnomaly
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:00 am |
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pukeonthestreet wrote: okay I know my previous rant was a little confusing but at 2:10 on this video hilarity ensues http://imvotingrepublican.com/index.php
wow, that video's one of the more aggrivating things i've ever watched. it's dripping with the idea that a huge government can somehow fully provide for you and protect you from everything bad.
"Government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92m4_nw0814
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mikefromarizona
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:11 am |
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gully wrote: Danny Dickhead wrote: I think the president has a lot to do with the national zietgiest - the last eight years have felt like the dominant attitude was one of nasty dumb viciousness and deliberate brutish stupidity . . . and I do indeed blame those in power for setting the national tone. So even if Obama won't come swinging into the Oval Office in a cape and single-handedly beat back the lobbyists, I'd rather have a national attitude dominated by the idea of "Yes We Can" rather than one dominated by "You're either with us or against us." I hope I never need a politician to tell me how to feel. Obama's platform was basically handed to him, "Be the opposite of everything that is the current administration." A fucking bear on a unicycle could get elected in that context.
for a second imagined you meant a BEER on a unicycle...that sounds delicious but dangerous. like pop rocks and coke.
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Danny Dickhead
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 10:42 am |
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I just think that maybe the blue crooks could do a better job for the next few years than the red crooks. Honestly, I know things won't magically get better . . . but I'm gonna vote anyway. Why the hell would I vote for McCain? You have to take steps to create an environment more conducive to alternative viewpoints.
I don't want Roe v. Wade overturned, I don't want creationism taught in public schools, I want kids to be educated about sexually transmitted diseases and birth control, and I want a foreign policy that at least gives lip service to the idea of a global community, not unilateral American dominance.
I just think of choosing a President as choosing the national motto for four years at a time.
McCain/Palin: Oil, babies, guns, and Jesus!
Obama/Biden: Stop being a dick, America.
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sawtooth
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:13 pm |
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i generally try to vote with my wallet. sadly that would point me in mccain's direction. and that's a very scary thing. if i manage to vote, it would be for ron paul.
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BlatantAnomaly
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:18 pm |
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I think McCain is a complete tool. I just don't don't like people thinking that Obama doesn't have glaring faults. He has Madeline Albright in his camp, for fuck's sake. Albright, if you didn't know, thought that the half-million Iraqi children who died as a result of US sanctions were "worth it" to prove a fucking point! ( http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1084)
People seem to actually believe that Obama's capaign and potential presidency isn't a wholly owned subsidiary of small, powerful groups. They're just slightly different groups. Neither Obama nor McCain question America's unwavering, unqualified support of Israel despite countless war crimes. Neither of them plan on actually ending the occupation of Iraq. Neither of them have anything to say about sound money. Everybody is just encourage to focus on the little differences between the two statist candidates. And it works beautifully. All the debates steer clear of the things that actually matter and the candidates get to bicker over petty shit.
All that being said, I believe that it is absolutely vital that everybody votes. Refusing to vote doesn't get any point across except that the government can go on without being held accountable. That's the same message that they've been getting for decades and look at where we are now. Vote for whomever you believe is right. That WILL get the point across. The vast majority of people don't vote at all, so swaying the people that stupidly check the box marked "Republican" or "Democrat" blindly regardless of the name that's associated with it differently isn't even necessary. All that is necessary is getting those who don't already vote to vote for SOMEbody.
Quote: he Republican/Democrat duopoly has, for far too long, ignored the most important issues facing our nation. However, alternate candidates Chuck Baldwin, Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader agree with Ron Paul on four key principles central to the health of our nation. These principles should be key in the considerations of every voter this November and in every election.
We Agree
Foreign Policy: The Iraq War must end as quickly as possible with removal of all our soldiers from the region. We must initiate the return of our soldiers from around the world, including Korea, Japan, Europe and the entire Middle East. We must cease the war propaganda, threats of a blockade and plans for attacks on Iran, nor should we re-ignite the cold war with Russia over Georgia. We must be willing to talk to all countries and offer friendship and trade and travel to all who are willing. We must take off the table the threat of a nuclear first strike against all nations.
Privacy: We must protect the privacy and civil liberties of all persons under US jurisdiction. We must repeal or radically change the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, and the FISA legislation. We must reject the notion and practice of torture, eliminations of habeas corpus, secret tribunals, and secret prisons. We must deny immunity for corporations that spy willingly on the people for the benefit of the government. We must reject the unitary presidency, the illegal use of signing statements and excessive use of executive orders.
The National Debt: We believe that there should be no increase in the national debt. The burden of debt placed on the next generation is unjust and already threatening our economy and the value of our dollar. We must pay our bills as we go along and not unfairly place this burden on a future generation.
The Federal Reserve: We seek a thorough investigation, evaluation and audit of the Federal Reserve System and its cozy relationships with the banking, corporate, and other financial institutions. The arbitrary power to create money and credit out of thin air behind closed doors for the benefit of commercial interests must be ended. There should be no taxpayer bailouts of corporations and no corporate subsidies. Corporations should be aggressively prosecuted for their crimes and frauds.
If you believe in what Obama is preaching, then vote for him. Just please stop getting caught up in voting against the greater evil. The lesser of two evils is still evil.
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sawtooth
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:21 pm |
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wow blatantanomaly, it's great to see someone on this board not sucking obama's dick.
i couldn't have said it better myself.
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mikefromarizona
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:05 pm |
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I agree with you Blatant in some respects, but I don't think whoever lumped Ralph Nader and Ron Paul together had a very clear idea what policies Nader espouses (or Ron Paul apparently). Just because they're both independent candidates doesn't automatically make them comparable ideologically. Ron Paul supports ZERO gun laws. Nader assuredly does not.
I'm going to stop there because everything I want to say now is going to be deriding Nader or pointing out the things about Ron Paul (a man I admire very much) that I don't like.
But I will say that just because you're an independent candidate doesn't mean you're necessarily good and obama is evil. I get extremely frustrated when the Obama campaign contradicts itself and makes me feel like an asshole for supporting them. But, an older punk friend of mine named Abel once explained to me why he was against the way our democracy functioned but was planning on voting Obama.
Like it or not, somebody will win this election. And it will be Obama or McCain. Who do you want picking supreme court judges? Because those are lifetime appointments. So this affects forever, now, and if people aren't going to get serious about smashing this system and abandoning it, we have to get serious about keeping creationist pro-life murderers as far away from our constitution as possible, and hope our kids fix it or whatever.
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